Showing posts with label Pre-dreadnought Squadrons Project. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Pre-dreadnought Squadrons Project. Show all posts

Wednesday, February 27, 2019

Pre-dreadnought Project, p.5: 1:3000 Assembly, cleaning

1:1 Ship model - farther along than mine, but it took ten years or so...
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Nice image from this great post at video game forum: [CLICK]

Whew! First post since November, 2018. Things have been super-busy but 2019 is hopefully going to be a lot calmer with only a couple of major projects with the family and a lighter work schedule, overall. TY2020 is scheduled to be VERY light so the 1:1 Army will not be too bad, and I just have to await what God does with pastoral work to see how busy I will be or not be. Hopefully, there'll be lots of time connecting with my immediate family and spending time with my almost 10yo who is getting very very active! In any event, this project was from late spring / early summer of 2018, and I hope to get these painted up and experiment with masts, fighting tops and a little rigging.

The Italian squadron, below. I've doubled down on Italia and Lepanto on the fictional assumption that Italy had the desire and resources to produce additional ships. Next to them are the plastic fighting tops. Overall, smaller is better for these, and if one has to err in a certain direction, get the smaller ones instead of the larger ones.

As noted before, these lovely little white metal ships are from Wartime Journal's now extinct metal line of 1/3000 ships. As they are totally gone, there's no point in a review. However, it should give you an idea of the kind of work done there and more confidence in the line of 3D plastics that are rapidly being produced [and which continue to be a sore tempation for me!].

My wargame tendancy for 1/3000 is to have squadron battles using variations of Portable Wargame rules, so groups of 3-4 ships are most suitable. I can also pair them into small "squadrons" of two ships each for games where extra players show up. The balance of captain business - allocating resources of crew, steam, and navigation - is what I find players to be most interested in, so 2-4 ships is just fine. Also, fighting squadrons per player instead of just a ship or two gives some space for lucky shots and accidental blowups.


Another view. Casting was excellent, but there's a bit of flash spiraling off the area where I supposed the metal is injected into the mold. Note that the plastics don't have any flash.


1/3000 ships are available from several sources, so altho I don't have any intent to add to this project at this time, the possibility is always there. Top view shows the interesting layout of the Italian ships. Altho the guns are supposed to be able to fire nearly 180 degrees, in practice the muzzle blast made this very difficult, so I'd probably restrict the ship to a much smaller angle, say 120 or something, just to differentiate in a rule set.


Flash removal was performed with a sharp X-acto blade, bracing the ship against a wooden ruler. Despite the cutting, there was still a bit left upon the stacks that had to be smoothed with a file. Still, this was just a few minutes of work per ship.


This "q-tip" appearing thingamabob is actually a bit of soft-sanding material on a plastic blue stick. I used it to gently rub off the mold lines and such. For some of the ships, they actually had a deck line halfway down the hull, so it may not be a flash line at all.


The four Big Ships, 2 x Italian class, 2 x Lepanto class [really, the same class, same designer, Benedetto Brin]. These are larger and easier to clean up.


The four smaller ships. Calabria PC [CLICK], cruiser Dogali [CLICK], 2 x Etna-class Protected Cruiser [CLICK]. The selection was based upon availability from WTJ. However, all four of these ships were similarly armed and could easily be a squadron with identical stats, or differentiated for more individualized play in a game. 

The nice thing about the pre-dreadnought era is that so many ships were singular, even eccentric and quirky in their design and even maintenance, that any amount of individuality can be argued as historically accurate! Let's here it for creativity and imagination: "huzzah!"

Some interesting model comparisons from the Italians to the Spanish Squadron, BELOW

The three Italian Giuseppe Garibaldi Armored Cruisers are only a minor stretch of history. The Italians built ten which went to four countries [CLICK]. The Cristobal Colon was delivered to Spain [CLICK] but Pedro de Aragon was cancelled, and certainly one or two could've been acquired or loaned from Argentina during the occasional Spanish naval panics of the 1890s. The Pelayo [tilted on the file] is an early pre-dread BB design [CLICK]. It's a French design with some tumblehome, and the most powerful ship in the Spanish navy; some argue that had she and Armored Cruiser Carlos V entered action during the Spanish-American war the history might be different [insert grain of salt here].

Some flash sticking out of the ends or various deck projections of the ships. Easy removal.

Below, torpedo-boats, destroyers, who can tell? Tiny ships that can be a pain to work with but useful on the tabl. They can also be fought as squadrons or individuals on the table, depending on player numbers, so these little guys add a lot of flexibility to a host's game. All you need is two sets of player aids on hand. 

Here, they are being gently scrubbed down with a soft toothbrush and mild dish soap, removing any release agent from the ship. Note that these have no mold, flash or other bits to be removed.

Note that these really need to be mounted on something for ease of handling, not to mention speed of painting!

Drake - Class cruisers below [CLICK]. From about 1902, they are really at the tail end of the project, but provide a glimpse of the future. Their 23-knot speed and 9" and 6" guns offer some variety in tactical play that will presage WWI choices. For gaming, a bit of variety in speed, gunnery and armor provides players with different challenges on the table. I see these operating similarly to the WWI British and German battlecruisers in my earlier fictitious Mediterranean naval flare-up!

Flash was not too bad, similar to that of the Italian BBs, and the mold lines actually appear to be almost natural. Big pic from Wiki shows a bit of shadowing there. Can't remember if I sanded them down at this point or not, but you get the idea. Internet pics are definitely our friend when it comes to working on these little guys.

Well, there you have it - a long wait for this post to go up, I think the pics are from June 2018. Just putting up the post makes me want to get moving again on this project. The question is who should fight whom first? Italians v. French for ownership of Sardegna? Spanish v. Italians over the Baleric Islans? Hard to say, but stay tuned!

Thursday, June 14, 2018

Pre-dreadnought Project, p.4: Painting 1:3000 Fleet

These fleets have more possible color schemes than the typical 
"variations on grey" of later periods
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Well, I want to paint this stuff up quickly and be able to easily discern the squadrons from each other, so here's the scheme:


Clean and prep the pewter...white spray paint primer [they're tiny, need bright colors].

The following schemes to differentiate the Mediterranean squadrons, which are from War Times Journal and Fighting Fleets. I've tried to provide some pics so that one can see how the schemes look and decide if they have visual appeal.

Quick Thought:
It should be kept in mind that it is always possible to differentiate nationalities from one another by tonal variations, e.g. not all ochre is the same color. A darker ochre may ground a white ship better to the viewer, while a lighter ochre will help brighten up a black-hulled ship. As much of these details are unknown, I feel it is better to err on the side of artistry and easy of play than worry about the nitty gritty of possible tonal shades weathered by the Adriatic through a misty season! 

Also, paint was not nearly as sophisticated as today, and would show up with variation by manufacturer, be applied differently by different authorities, weather badly, and may very well not have a uniform standard conscientiously applied.

The purpose of the below pics is not just to provide some [possible] historical paint schemes, but also just to show what certain color schemes look like. This may help the artistically committed gamer decide on paint schemes where there is little evidence! Also, most of the images have links which may well provide a source for further ship images and information.

First a comparison image of a few different paint schemes:


Spain
Peacetime: Most black hull, white superstructure , ochre funnels.
Some light vessels had all white hulls & superstructure ochre funnels.
Wartime: No special wartime colors are known.
                - “FIGHTING FLEETS”: unknown [!?]
 
Peacetime: black hull, white superstructure & turrets , ochre funnels and masts. The black hull often had a narrow white band just below its upper edge, all the way around the ship. Sometimes (rarely, seen once on HMS Nile) the black was carried up onto the upperworks as high as the edge of the spar deck, making the turrets black instead of white.
Ships on tropical station would usually have white hull, superstructure or ochre superstructure, and ochre funnels.
Wartime: Dark Sea Grey (991) all over (except maybe lifeboats, white with brown wash on top).
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France
Peacetime: black hull, upperworks and funnels either silver grey (883) or ochre (913).
Boundaries between hull and upperworks colors tended to vary widely, some placed very high on the ship at spar deck edge, and some lower at main deck edge.. Best to find photos of actual ships.
Wartime: Unknown, probably a Dark Sea Grey (991) or Medium Sea Grey (870) all over. Some sources say French ships have distinct greenish grey, which is supported by some builder's models still in existence.
                - “FIGHTING FLEETS”: black hulls, white upperworks, black funnel tops, DD lt. 
                 grey, subs sea green
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French battleship Masséna 1898 1:250 cardboard model
French Cruiser Jeanne d'Arc by Kara-ALVAMA
French battleship Iéna 1896 1:200 cardboard model

Italy
Peacetime: Typically black hull with white or Silver Grey (883) upperworks. The transition between black and white could be along the edge of the main deck, or sometimes down the middle of the amidships bulwarks/casemates.
The funnels and masts were commonly painted ochre, and in some cases - such as vessels like Italia or Andrea Doria - the lower half of the funnels would be white and the upper half would be ochre.
In vessels with super-heavy guns, the gun barrels were sometimes painted black or dark grey.
Wartime: Unknown, probably Dark Sea Grey (991) all over.
                - “FIGHTING FLEETS”: Dark Grey
Austria
Peacetime: As with other European fleets, a black hull with white or Silver Grey (883) upperworks and funnels. Unlike the rest of the upperworks and funnels, the ventilators, gun barrels and masts were commonly painted black like the hull. Turret tops seemed to be dark grey.  
Wartime: Reported by Jane's as being Sea Green. The best combination for this seems to be a 1:1 mixture of Medium Sea Grey (870) and Grey Green (866), although straight Grey Green also works while giving a greener but darker appearance.
3D Paper Model Battleships Austrian-Hungarian battleship WIEN 1:400 scale 40cm Long 3d puzzles toy model papercraft for adult
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-Paper-Model-Battleships-Austrian-Hungarian-battleship-WIEN-1-400-scale-40cm-Long-3d-puzzles/1116415373.html


** below is from War Times Journal, always worth checking out for free rules, and the latest Rapid Prototyped Plastic ships!** 
http://www.wtj.com/store/index_paint_guide_hist-paint.html

Painting
A great variety of color schemes was used on warships between 1885 and 1918, but in general these schemes tended to use similar basic colors. Many fleets used bright color schemes for peacetime and more drab color scheme for wartime. Peacetime colors tended to be black, white, light grey and/or ochre. Wartime colors were usually some shade of grey as were most vessels after 1905. Below is a table of the colors we use to paint WTJ fleets, followed by more nationality-specific outlines. 
Paint Type
Usage
Manufacturer
Number
Color
General Notes
Vallejo
951
White
Common lifeboat color
Vallejo
950
Black





Vallejo
862
Black Grey

Vallejo
870
Medium Sea Grey

Vallejo
991
Dark Sea Grey

Vallejo
992
Neutral Grey

Vallejo
883
Silver Grey

Vallejo
913
Yellow Ochre

Vallejo
967
Olive Green

Vallejo
866
Grey Green

Vallejo
821
German Beige

Vallejo
872
Chocolate Brown

Vallejo
898
Dark Sea Blue
Used to paint sea texturing for bases
Vallejo
540
Matte Medium (primer)
Used as undercoat for paint
Vallejo
520
Matte Varnish (sealer)
Used to seal painted ship
Vallejo
510
Gloss Varnish (sealer)
Used to seal textured base
Vallejo
400
Plastic Putty
Used for sea texturing model base
Citadel Colours
61-17
Bleached Bone
Good deck color, but discontinued
Vallejo (custom)
-
Buff & Silver Grey
Custom deck color: x2 parts buff, x1 part silver grey

Tuesday, May 15, 2018

Pre-dreadnought Project, p.3: Fleet Arrives

"You may anchor when ready, Gridley."
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Hooray, the WTJ squadrons have arrived!

The box came from Wartimes Journal yesterday - not a bad turnaround time for print-on-demand plastics, which were in the order and delayed things a bit. The  pewter stock was all on hand. Order was placed April 26 and would've arrived quickly but for the plastics which had it arrive Monday the 14th, or 18 days total.

As always, the items were carefully packed in his special blister seals between bubbles system, and there was no breakage I can see, altho the plastic items make me a bit nervous - they're pretty strong but they don't LOOK strong! 31 of the 33 ships were available, and of course all the plastic was available. Below, metal hanging on box, plastics on table.


The pewter castings have the usual bits of flash and some have mold lines but they aren't pronounced. I like them and their heft - I've always preferred the metals to plastics in that regard, they FEEL right! However, the line is being discontinued due to the ease of working with the plastics, plus they offer better detail, little to no flash, and great variety in scale.

*sigh* Don't know what will happen to the excess pewter ships...but I asked.

Plastics below. wrecks at top left and right, fighting tops down the left, destroyers / torpedo boats center, land batteries to right. One error with extra large and no medium fighting tops that Jim at WTJ caught and is going to correct. I get some extra large ones out of it!


Below, entire order laid out for tallying and checking.


The pewter list and ships from top down. You can see nice details like decks and lifeboats. Spanish at top, followed by French, British, one Austrian and the Italian ships, all conveniently numbered by nationality on the bottom of the hull - and quite clear if small. Very useful! Note how large the Drake is - at 14,000+ tons and 500+ feet, she was quite large for the period, bigger than many battleships.

Regret that the lighting didn't come out as bright as it was in the room, but the flash would've made the pics worse.

I'm looking forward to this as a pretty quick prep, paint, and play project, that is also portable, and playable on a small space, so I can travel with it. Am enjoying working with the PW rules, and have a re-fight of Manila already planned for ASAP.

This era also encourages a sort of simplicity in play, also. The battles are mostly about gunnery as torpedoes just aren't that effective yet - altho they are a threat. Thus the primary tension is in maneuvering and firing, and we must rely on the scenarios to prevent us from getting bored with a "line them up and sink everything in sight" sort of game. Yet, there is some opportunity for odd weapons like spar torpedo boats, submarines and perhaps even a balloon attack - or observation - that make it a bit more interesting than a wooden ships and iron men era fight.

Once again, "Full Steam Ahead!"

Tuesday, May 1, 2018

Pre-dreadnought Project, p.2 - additional WTJ Order

"Here's the Fort...now we just need a fool."
Fuerte Niebla
https://www.minube.com/rincon/fuerte-niebla-a110977

Well, I'd forgotten that I wanted to fight shore batteries, and making fighting tops seemed like a lot more time spent on guesswork as to the right soft plastic to use...and then I couldn't resist some wrecks! What can I say, I hate paying for shipping and I like complete projects. And forts / batteries are key to many actions - more than most gamers want to play.

Nelson said "A ship's a fool to fight a fort" but it was done - when needed it was more decisive than a blockade, if successful. There's also the possibility of a shore party since I got extra lifeboats! I plan to make the boats on bases where they can represent additional sunk ships, or shore parties, or whatever.

Interesting to see how it all adds up. I didn't need to buy 4 shore batteries, but I want to have a more complex action at some point, including Manila and other fictional actions in the Med - there are some good rules for it in General Quarters III and I believe also in Ironclads and Ether Flyers. It also is a key part of many naval campaigns to capture a port, not sink a fleet.

Anyway, batteries, boats, tops and wrecks...it's all in here now! Just awaiting delivery at this point.

1    Shore Battery #1                      WTJ-0100781-30    $5.25     $5.25
     1/3000 Scale 5.25
1    Shore Battery #2                      WTJ-0100782-30    $3.75     $3.75
     1/3000 Scale 3.75
1    Shore Battery #3                      WTJ-0100783-30    $4.75     $4.75
     1/3000 Scale 4.75
1    Shore Battery #4                      WTJ-0100784-30    $3.25     $3.25
     1/3000 Scale 3.75
1    Extra Lifeboats                       WTJ-0100790-30    $3.75     $3.75
     1/3000 Scale 3.75
2    Fighting Tops - Large                 WTJ-0100792A-30    $2.75     $5.50
     1/3000 Scale 2.75
2    Fighting Tops - Medium                WTJ-0100792B-30    $2.25     $4.50
     1/3000 Scale 2.25
2    Fighting Tops - Small                 WTJ-0100792C-30    $2.25     $4.50
     1/3000 Scale 2.25
2    Wreck, Bow (Russian)                  WTJ-0100795A-30    $1.75     $3.50
     1/3000 Scale 1.75
1    Wreck, Capsized (Russian)             WTJ-0100795B-30    $3.25     $3.25
     1/3000 Scale 3.25
1    Wreck, Stern (Russian)                WTJ-0100795C-30    $3.25     $3.25
     1/3000 Scale 3.25
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                   Sub Total      $45.25

Thursday, April 26, 2018

Pre-dreadnought Project, p.1 - Start, ship order

Every Gamer's Secret Fantasy...a Fleet in Being!
http://americanhistory.si.edu/militaryhistory/exhibition/zoomify.asp?id=1937&type=g&width=640&height=480&hideAlt=1

Wow, pushing an entire year of not posting anything here. Where did the time go?? Lots of other gaming and plenty of real life. Still, no excuse not to do something on at least a monthly basis. Must work on that!

Recently got a promo email from The Wartimes Journal, a site, sculptor and gamer I respect and enjoy. All the remaining 1/3000 pewter pre-dread ships are on sale for half off! I decided to check it out and see what I thought. 

Altho the new plastic ones are just the best, there is place in my life for little, durable fleets of simple metal ships, especially since much of my wargaming is now fast-play and on smaller tables. This also dovetails with my interest in the Great War at Sea series whose quick-play ship battle rules, maps and campaign system are all a tempting product for that which I adore - fleet actions and campaigns!

STILL, one has to seriously consider any purchase to see if there's any point to it at all. I have kicked around semi-fictitious naval actions in various locales and periods, and I decided on Mediterranean Squadron actions, pre-1900, as a good project. Reasons?

- British v. French rivalry, with Italians, Austrians, Turks and Spanish floating around, too.
- possible gaming of Russians forcing their fleet in Med via Black Sea, Gibraltar, or in the Suez Canal Zone as a by-product of Turkish or Japanese conflicts.
- one gamer pal has full Russian and Japanese fleets to fight with.
- multiple ship styles, national characteristics, etc.
- cool looking ships [well, odd-looking ships] with lots of different paint schemes and characteristics.
- fast-play rules design opportunity.
- Fiction = FUN!  No one can tell you it ain't so.
- already have GWaS maps and rules, plus a couple of alternatives.
- squadron approach means painting up 4-8 ships at a time, easy-peasy!

So overall, this just ended up being too good to pass up. I figure I can always sell them, even at a profit, in the future.


Qty  Name                                  SKU            Each Sub Total
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2    Etna                                  WTJ-0088214    $1.37     $2.74
1    Dogali                                WTJ-0088213    $1.63     $1.63
1    Calabria                              WTJ-0088210    $1.63     $1.63
2    Lepanto                               WTJ-0088106    $2.13     $4.26
2    Italia                                WTJ-0088105    $2.13     $4.26

[Italians = 4 BB, 4 cruisers]

1    Bouvet                                WTJ-0066103    $2.13     $2.13
1    Carnot                                WTJ-0066105    $2.13     $2.13
1    Brennus                               WTJ-0066106    $2.13     $2.13
2    Jemmapes                              WTJ-0066122    $1.63     $3.26
1    Foudre                                WTJ-0066701    $1.37     $1.37
2    Dupleix                               WTJ-0066204    $1.87     $3.74
1    Dentrecasteaux                        WTJ-0066210    $1.87     $1.87
[French = 5 BB, 3 cruisers, 1 support vessel]


1    Monarch                               WTJ-0078102    $1.63     $1.63
[Austrians = 1 BB]

1    Pelayo                                WTJ-0033101    $1.87     $1.87
3    Cristobal Colon                       WTJ-0033204    $1.63     $4.89

[Spanish = 1 BB, 3 cruisers [can also be Italian]]

1    Benbow                                WTJ-0055106    $2.13     $2.13
1    Sans Pareil                           WTJ-0055110    $2.13     $2.13
1    Renown                                WTJ-0055112    $2.13     $2.13
1    Inflexible                            WTJ-0055117    $2.13     $2.13
1    Dreadnought                           WTJ-0055118    $2.13     $2.13
1    Polyphemus                            WTJ-0055702    $1.63     $1.63
1    Vulcan                                WTJ-0055701    $2.13     $2.13
4    Drake                                 WTJ-0055202    $2.13     $8.52

[British = 5 BB, 4 cruisers, 2 support]

4    Destroyer #11                         WTJ-0100411-30    $1.25     $5.00
     1/3000 Scale 1.25
4    Destroyer #13                         WTJ-0100413-30    $1.25     $5.00
     1/3000 Scale 1.25
4    Destroyer #5                          WTJ-0100405-30    $1.25     $5.00
     1/3000 Scale 1.25

[Anyone = 12 torpedo boat / destroyers]
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Sub Total           $ 77.47
Shipping:          $ 6.00
Grand Total      $ 83.47

TOTAL = 45 SHIPS for $83 or $1.85 a ship average. This is half price for even Resin Panzerschiffe ships [which are 1/2400 so a bit larger - still, a great price].

This comes to 11 squadrons of 4 ships, plenty of maneuver elements for several players.

Cool colors, cool ships! The pre-dread has it all for someone who wants "different".